GRAVES FAMILY BULLETIN
A
Free, Occasional, Online Summary of Items of Interest to Descendants of all
Families of Graves, Greaves, Grieves, Grave, and other spelling variations
Worldwide
Vol.
10, No. 12, Dec. 27, 2008
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© 2008 by the Graves Family Association and Kenneth V. Graves. All rights reserved.
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CONTENTS:
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General Comments
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Trip to England in June 2009
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Ken Graves to Speak at the January 2009 Meeting of the GFA Mid-Atlantic Chapter
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Reminder of DNA Testing Discounts and the Importance of DNA Testing
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Changes Regarding the Grave/Graves Families of Cambridgeshire and Cumbria,
England
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The Graves Families of Ireland
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Never Quit Looking for Your Ancestors
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Where is Gravesend?
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To Submit Material to this Bulletin & Other Things
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GENERAL
COMMENTS
This
is the last opportunity to get the $150 discount when you register for the trip
to England next June. The end of
December is also your last opportunity to get the special prices for DNA tests
for new customers. See the following
articles for more details.
I
hope you all had a wonderful Christmas season, and I wish you all a very happy
2009!
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TRIP
TO ENGLAND IN JUNE 2009
Have
you always wanted to go to England but thought it was just a dream? Are you descended from a Graves or Greaves
family in England, and would you love to visit the places they lived and meet
some of their descendants who still live there? Now is your chance to fulfill your dream.
The
Graves Family Association, in cooperation with Select Travel Service Inc., will
be conducting a tour of England June 4-16, 2009. Although the stated cost was $2975 per person (before discount),
the actual cost will probably be less because of the improved exchange rate.
This
will not be a research trip, although you will have the option to go off on
your own if you choose to, and do whatever you want. In addition to the places mentioned in the brochure, we will be
visiting a few other places, including Beeley Hilltop in Derbyshire and perhaps
other places close to Beeley.
The
tour brochure and the registration form are on the GFA website in PDF format.
Spread
the word about the tour. Invite your
relatives and any friends who might like to go along. We would really like to have as many people on the tour as
possible, especially since it will probably reduce the cost for all
participants. Let me know if you want
more tour brochures or want me to send some directly to anyone else.
Remember
that you will get a $150 discount if you register by Dec. 31, 2008. You can subtract that from your initial
deposit of $250 per person. For any
questions that require an immediate answer, you can contact Select Travel
Service at 800-752-6787.
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KEN
GRAVES TO SPEAK AT THE JANUARY MEETING OF THE GFA MID-ATLANTIC CHAPTER
Ken
Graves will be speaking on the subject of “What Has the GFA Accomplished in
2008, and What Can We Expect in the Future?” at the January meeting of the
Mid-Atlantic Chapter of the Graves Family Association. This will be Sunday, Jan. 25, 2009, 3-6
p.m., at the Army Navy Club in Arlington, VA.
There will be a light buffet in the meeting room as attendees
assemble. Sarah and I are looking
forward to seeing as many of you there as are able to attend.
For
more information, contact John Graves at 443-542-2860 (work), 410-867-6758
(home), or at johngtmi@aol.com.
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REMINDER OF DNA TESTING DISCOUNTS
AND THE IMPORTANCE OF DNA TESTING
This is a reminder of the special year-end offer from Family Tree
DNA (the company we use for most of our DNA testing) for new-kit-purchasing
participants. Please note that you
must act very quickly to take advantage of these special prices.
The products that are being offered at the special prices are:
|
Y-DNA37 |
$119 |
|
Y-DNA37+mtDNAPlus |
$199 |
|
Y-DNA67 |
$218 |
|
Y-DNA67+mtDNAPlus |
$308 |
|
mtDNAPlus |
$139 |
|
Full
Genomic mtDNA |
$395 |
|
SuperDNA |
$613 |
This offer is good until December 31st, 2008 for kits
ordered and paid for by that time.
To take advantage of this offer, the easiest way is to go to the
main page of the Graves Family Association website at www.gravesfa.org, scroll down to the DNA
Study section, click on the link for “How to Sign Up”, and follow the
instructions. The 37-marker Y-DNA test
is the one we usually recommend.
If you prefer not to use a credit card online, you can always call
Family Tree DNA at 713-868-1438 and give them your credit card information or
arrange to send them a check.
Especially
if your part of the Graves/Greaves/Grieves family has not yet had any male take
a Y-DNA test, it is very important that someone do so. This is the only way we can know for sure
whether your male line shares a common ancestor with other families.
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CHANGES
REGARDING THE GRAVE/GRAVES FAMILIES OF CAMBRIDGESHIRE AND CUMBRIA, ENGLAND
The
section on the Charts page of the GFA website for these families has been
changed, and some of the charts have been updated. This is one of the most difficult family groups to
understand. It appears that the
families of Cambridgeshire, Cumbria/Cumberland, and some families of the U.S.
are related, but some of them may be more distantly related than previously
thought.
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THE
GRAVES FAMILIES OF IRELAND
If
you look on the Charts page of the GFA website, you will see that there are two
different groups of Graves families in Ireland. One is that of William Graves of Drogheda, Co. Louth (genealogy
35) and the part of that family that emigrated to Delaware around 1700. Co. Louth is on the Irish Sea, north of
Dublin, and adjacent to Ulster (Northern Ireland). It is not known whether the family originated in Ireland or was
from elsewhere, although many of them later lived in Lancashire, England. DNA testing shows that the family is
haplogroup I1, which is more typical of Scotland than England.
The
other group of families is probably descended from the Graves family of
Yorkshire & Mickleton Manor, Gloucestershire, England (genealogy 68). Many members of this family had positions of
authority in the army, navy, civil government, and the church in both Ireland
and England. The family members seemed
to have lived more often in the southeastern part of Ireland, especially in
counties Wexford and Waterford. The DNA
haplogroup of this family is R1b1b2, which is typical of most of the Graves and
Greaves families of England.
Recent
DNA results have shown that genealogy 364 (Parents of Richard Graves of
Waterford, Ireland) and genealogy 530 (Thomas Graves and Julia Leek of Dublin,
Ireland) share a common Graves ancestor.
Since it is believed that the ancestral family is genealogy 68, we very
much need more family information for that family and DNA testing on male
Graves descendants of that family to verify the relationship. The one DNA test we presently have for gen.
68 does not match any other Graves results, so men from other branches of the
family need to be tested. Your help
will be appreciated.
On
the Charts page of the website, you can see that genealogy 68 has been expanded
and new and updated charts have been added.
(If this has not been completed by the time you get this bulletin, it
will be done soon.)
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NEVER
QUIT LOOKING FOR YOUR ANCESTORS
Often
people start searching for their ancestors, find some information, and then hit
a “roadblock”. Sooner or later, we all
run into roadblocks and dead ends. A
typical response is to give up, figuring that there is no hope of ever finding
that information. I sometimes receive
letters and emails asking for help, and when I respond that I don’t have the
answer being sought, I never hear from the people again.
I
want to emphasize that there is much, much more information out there in
archives and libraries, in church records, in family records and
elsewhere. Much of it has never been
publicized or published on the Internet.
But more and more is becoming available, and more will be available in
the future. There is a good chance that
the answers to many of your questions will be found in the future, so don’t
give up hope, and don’t stop looking.
One
recent example is someone who was searching in 1988 for the ancestry of Willie
Ray Graves, born 1896 or 1898, son of William Bailey Graves, born unknown date
in southern Missouri. At the time, I
couldn’t help. Now, with the ability to
search the genealogies on the GFA website, the U.S. census records online, and
the submitted genealogies on Ancestry.com, I was able to find that William
Bailey Graves was born 1871, married Ettie M. Braswell, and was a son of George
Washington Graves and Emeline Vickers.
They are descended from immigrant Thomas Graves of Hartford, CT (genealogy
168). In the genealogy, William Bailey
Graves had been listed as Bailey W. Graves, but we know that it was extremely
common in the late 1800’s in the U.S. for men to reverse their first and middle
names. So it took 20 years, but we now
have the answer.
Another
example is someone in Gorham, Maine, who was searching in 1983 for John Greaves
or Graves who married Nellie Rackliff and lived somewhere in England in the
mid-1800’s. I recently found that this
John Graves was born in 1851 in Everton, Nottinghamshire, was a son of William
Graves and Ann Holdgate, and a grandson of Samuel Graves (born 1791) and Sarah
Crofts. This is now genealogy 444.
In
1999, a woman from Quebec, Canada inquired about her ancestors Elmer Graves and
Mary Doucette of Massachusetts. I
recently found that Elmer was born in 1863 in Marblehead, Massachusetts, and
was descended from Samuel Graves of Lynn, MA (genealogy 83).
These
examples show that many searches for Graves/Greaves ancestors and connection
not only don’t get forgotten, but are eventually successful. However, now that so much more information
is available, it probably won’t take 20 or 25 years to find the answers. You should be persistent, thorough, and
optimistic. And remember, the more
information you share, the more likely a connection will be found.
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WHERE
IS GRAVESEND?
There
are stories about people named Graves who lived in Gravesend, England and went
to America. These men include the
engineer named Thomas Graves (genealogy 131), Samuel Graves of Lynn, MA
(genealogy 83), Thomas Graves of Hartford, CT & Hatfield, MA (genealogy
168), and perhaps others. We now
believe that Samuel Graves of Lynn, MA, was from Lincolnshire, and Thomas
Graves of Hartford, CT was from the area near Hertford. However, the engineer did indeed live in a
place called Gravesend (according to his contract with the Massachusetts Bay
Colony, and perhaps other emigrants also lived in Gravesend. It has always been assumed that the place
called Gravesend was the one in Kent, England, on the River Thames. However, after coming across other places of
that name, it occurs to me that one of those other places may sometimes be the
one involved.
After
much research of Gravesend, Kent, including talking to historians in the town when
I was there in 1995, I have not been able to find any Graves family that lived
there. My conclusion is that many ships
to America and elsewhere sailed from Gravesend, Kent, and many or most of those
who are said to have been from Gravesend left on a ship that sailed from
Gravesend but didn’t live there. In
addition, it appears that the name of Gravesend, Kent, was derived from a
corruption of the name Gresham, and had nothing to do with the Graves surname.
However,
there are other places called Gravesend.
The family of Admiral Thomas Graves (of genealogy 68) lived in Torpoint, Cornwall (near Plymouth, Devon), and the
place where he lived was called Gravesend. The area is still called Gravesend
Gardens. More about the relationship
between the Sawle and Graves families can be found at http://www.sole.org.uk/penrice.htm.
Part
of the same Graves family married into the Sawle family and lived at Penrice,
near St. Austell, Cornwall. John
Graves, Rear Admiral Royal Navy, married Elizabeth Sawle. His father was Rev. John Graves of Gravesend, county Derry,
Ireland.
Finally,
in a history of Porthleven, Cornwall at http://www.porthlevencottages.co.uk/porth_history.php
is a discussion of the many shipwrecks at that location, the construction of
the sheltered harbor to reduce the death toll, and the pit at the top of the
cliff, called Gravesend, where many of
the shipwrecked bodies were buried. The
implication is that there may be other locations with this name for a similar
reason. However, this is not a likely
place of origin for any Graves family member.
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ABOUT THIS BULLETIN:
This
bulletin is written and edited by Kenneth V. Graves,
ken.graves@gravesfa.org. Ken Graves was
also editor of the Graves Family Newsletter (no longer published). This bulletin will contain announcements and
news of special interest to Graves descendants with Internet access. It will not contain queries, genealogies,
photos, and the kind of in-depth articles that used to appear in the Graves
Family Newsletter.
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